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  Counting Field Service Time

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  something that always drove me crazy was when the jw's would say after the meeting on sunday, "i have to go out this afternoon to get my time in.

  " in the car group after service someone would always ask, "so how much time did we get?".

  it the watchtower company said that turning in time is no longer required because jehovah knows what we are doing to serve him, there would be a tremendous drop in the door to door activity and the coffee cart work.

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  Bungi Bill

  "Pussycat Publishers" - know them well!
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  What Is Brain Washing?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't think this applies to the watchtower corporation as the beginning this is talking about the more extreme forms.

  but interesting just the same.

  i'm sure we see some of the wt's depictions of death and and destruction(verbal and in pictures) that awaits those not in corporate "jehovah's" favor, a clear uses of inducing maximum fear and stress to make the mind more suggestable to corporate directives.

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  Bungi Bill

  Back when I was a good and loyal JW, I used to take strong exception to accusations that we, as JWs, were "brainwashed."

  The expression "brainwashing" first appeared into usage during the Korean War (1950-1953), when it was used to describe the treatment meted out by the communists on allied prisoners of war. (Another name suggested for the process is "Menticide" - i.e. the complete destruction of the mind).

  After researching the methods used by the communists to "brainwash" allied POWs, the only resemblance that I could see (and still can see) between this and the JWs is possibly the indoctrination process. Even that, though, while being somewhat similar in form, is nowhere close in degree. Also, indoctrination is only one of many parts to "brainwashing" a person. Prominently featured in the process are such cruelties as starvation, freezing in an unheated prison cell during the depths of a Korean winter, and the withholding of medical treatment - all the while keeping a person awake for days at a time, with three shifts of interrogators mentally tormenting him without letup.

  I had to conclude from that that those who accused the JWs of being brainwashed had no idea what the process actually involved, and that the term was being used more as some sort of a religious swear word than an accurate description of anything.

  (There is plenty of excellent material available about the brainwashing processes used by the communist countries. One such work I found particularly interesting was General Dean's Story. Dean was a senior American general, captured during the opening phases of the Korean War, and who endured three years of brainwashing while being held as a prisoner of war.)
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  Major changes to convention security beginning in 2017

  by Edison Trent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  short info on interesting changes to the major conventions this year: there will be a new security concept that will be implemented at all regional conventions in 2017.. similar to other major events (e.g.

  festivals, concerts), there will be admittance controls in stadiums.. - at each entrance, there will be a massive presence of attendants that look at each visitor.. - there will be pocket checks at the entrance.. - suspicious persons are no longer left on the convention grounds.. - suppliers to the stadium will be intensively inspected by attendants.. - there will be a special sign for attendants that must enter the stadium before 7.30 am.

  all others (even all attendants) can only enter after 7.30 am..

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  Bungi Bill

  Or the latest issue of Penthouse?
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  If Jesus had to choose his earthly organisation NOW, who would win?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all know that the society claims that jesus invisibly chose the bible students (forerunners of jw) in 1919 to be his organization here on earth.. yet, as we know, so much of what they then taught and did was wrong according to current teaching and practice.. the reply witnesses will give is something like "they were the most sincere seekers of truth blah blah...and jesus could see their potential".

  so, pretend for a moment that the current organization and the 1919 organization were both in concurrent existence at the time he invisibly came to choose.... which would he choose?

  the current or former?.

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  Bungi Bill

  If not them, perhaps the Whakatane branch of the RSA?
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  If Jesus had to choose his earthly organisation NOW, who would win?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all know that the society claims that jesus invisibly chose the bible students (forerunners of jw) in 1919 to be his organization here on earth.. yet, as we know, so much of what they then taught and did was wrong according to current teaching and practice.. the reply witnesses will give is something like "they were the most sincere seekers of truth blah blah...and jesus could see their potential".

  so, pretend for a moment that the current organization and the 1919 organization were both in concurrent existence at the time he invisibly came to choose.... which would he choose?

  the current or former?.

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  Bungi Bill

  I don't know - probably the Warriors rugby league team!
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  Counting Field Service Time

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  something that always drove me crazy was when the jw's would say after the meeting on sunday, "i have to go out this afternoon to get my time in.

  " in the car group after service someone would always ask, "so how much time did we get?".

  it the watchtower company said that turning in time is no longer required because jehovah knows what we are doing to serve him, there would be a tremendous drop in the door to door activity and the coffee cart work.

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  Bungi Bill

  Then by extension, if time cannot be "counted" for an activity - e.g. helping somebody in the congregation who is sick or infirm - nobody is going to be interested. Never mind the fact that such an act of kindness is likely to make more of a "witness" than any amount of door knocking!

  Back in 1983-84, my wife of the time became seriously ill and required a total of three months in hospital. We had three small children, two of whom were preschoolers. To get any assistance in caring for my children, I had to turn to a welfare group that was operated collectively by the local churches. This was a small town in which there were very few secrets, and the irony of all this was in no way lost on these very same local churches.

  As for our local congregation, I was accused of "using people" when I attempted to get some help from them. That fact became widely known in the community, too. Hours could not be counted for doing this, so nobody was even remotely interested.

  A bloody good example of "Agape" love being displayed by "Jehovah's Christian Witnesses" - and thank God for Babylon the Great! (That time, anyway).
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  last convention before global attack on witnesses

  by Phoebe in

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  2. friends

  so it's not enough that i'm dealing with post traumatic stress/anxiety and panic attacks all related to my life as a jw (50 years baptized -- i stopped going a couple of months ago) at 3 a.m. i get an email from the other side of the world.

  'you have to go to the convention.

  bro sanderson says we must watch the news, things are happening.

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  Some people are saying this is out last convention before a global attack on witnesses."

  I heard this in 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, 2000, 2010 and again in 2016.

  I could add to that 1969, too!
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  They Can't Admit They're Wrong ...

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as 1975 approached, we began to hear the preliminary murmurs of denial from the society rather than any honest admissions or apologies for their dreadful mistake.

  finally, i remember sitting at the watchtower study one sunday listening to the brothers and sisters parroting the information from the study article and innocently taking all of the blame for misinterpreting what the society had said about 1975. it was the first of several occasions when i longed to jump up from my seat, run to the podium, and argue for the apparently forgotten truth.

  instead, i sat there and thought how much the society was like the scribes and pharisees in jesus dayburdening the people with heavy loads that they were not willing to budge with their finger (matthew 23:4).

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  Bungi Bill

  That is one trait that they share with communism - i.e. never ever admit to being wrong!
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  2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.

  no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.

  instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .

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  Bungi Bill

  in the Watchtower October 15, 1968.
  This is, therefore, no time to be indifferent and complacent. This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that "concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matt. 24:36) To the contrary, it is a time when one should be keenly aware that the end of this system of things is rapidly coming to its violent end. Make no mistake, it is sufficient that the Father himself knows both the "day and hour"!

  Yes, what a bloody cheek these #%$&s have got.

  Just like the Nazis, though, at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, their written records condemn them totally.
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  Muslims are not the only terrorists

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  david goldman's hongkong based (and web published) media journal, the asia,times describes what may be the world's longest running terrorist insurrection in india.

  their latest success was an attack on india's state security forces, in which they killed 26 members of the security force.. you can read the at's attempt to analyse the origins and causes of the naxalite (they are also called maoists) rebellions at: http://www.atimes.com/indias-maoist-violence-must-resolved-dialogue/.

  the hindustan times has a table detailing the dead in this rebellion.. finally, i saw nothing about the latest attack (april) in the aussie media.

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  Smiddy,

  You are quite correct there, of course.